Return-Path: From: maynard@banished.com Organization: Banished CPU - (503) 232-6566 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v2.41 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 94 14:18:31 Subject: RE: DAN GANNON, NET.LEGEND My name is Dan Gannon. I have some corrections for your "Net.Legends FAQ". I suggest you take them seriously. The below is strictly fact; no opinion included whatsoever. 1. I rarely repost articles; the vast majority of my posts are original. 2. I have never said [the] "Holocaust-was-fake". 3. I have only called, at maximum, 2 people "VILE LITTLE LIAR"s, EVER, and I supported my claim with direct and verifiable evidence. 4. I have never made any statement whatsoever about my IQ. 5. I have never mentioned my dimensional hypothesis on the net, except to tell Danny Keren that I was not about to waste my time discussing it with him because I believe he would have nothing constructive to add to such a discussion. 6. I have never submitted an article or ad to any student newspaper, or to any newspaper whatsoever, for that matter. 7. I have refuted claims made by the "self-appointed Dan Gannon Cleanup Crew" on numerous occasions. But I choose not to waste much of my time any more bickering with such proven liars as Danny Keren and Ken McVay, et al. 8. What evidence do you have that "most soc.history readers have killfiles because of him [Dan Gannon] and Serdar."? 9. The vast majority of people who call Banished CPU, the BBS I run, are not, by any stretch of the imagination, "neo-nazi punks of sundry varieties", and my BBS is not "known for attracting" said individuals. For a newspaper reporter's description of Banished CPU and the people who call it, send "GET PDXSBCPU.TXT" to FTPMAIL@BANISHED.COM, and the entire article will be mailed to you. Below I provide the citation and the relevant quotes from it: >From _PDXS_ magazine ("Art/Music/Politics - The Pulse of Portland"), September 27, 1993 issue (Vol. 3, No. 14): CYBER POST-IT NOTES By Mitzi Waltz [The article begins:] "It's midnight, and the line at Banished CPU is still busy." [...] [A paragraph from near the middle of the article:] "Politics, that other topic banned at grandma's dinner table, is rarely ignored on BBSes. Banished CPU ([503] 232-6566) probably has the most wide- ranging discussions on the subject in Portland. In fact, it may be the only place where rabid white supremacists, gays, knee-jerk liberals, anarchists, Ross Perot supporters, and everyone in between have regular conversations. Not necessarily *nice* conversations, but at least people are talking. Sysop Maynard and I will never agree on politics but we agree that free speech is a wonderful thing." [end of quotes] Sincerely, Dan Gannon (a.k.a. "Maynard the Main Nerd") Sysop, Banished CPU: (503) 232-6566 (multi-line) Banished CPU supports Freedom of Speech! From: dgannon@banished.com Organization: Banished CPU - (503) 232-6566 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v2.41 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 94 15:18:07 Subject: RE: DAN GANNON, NET.LEGEND [Reply quotes at end of message.] Thank you, David Delaney, for the publicity. I, Dan Gannon, have some major corrections for the portion of David DeLaney's "Net.Legends FAQ" which describes me. I suggest he take them seriously. The following is strictly fact; no opinion is included. All extraneous info. is omitted. 1. I rarely repost articles; the vast majority of my posts are original. 2. I have never said [the] "Holocaust-was-fake". I only address specific parts of the "Holocaust story". 3. I have only called a maximum of 2 people "VILE LITTLE LIAR[s]" on the net, EVER, and I supported my claims with direct and verifiable evidence. 4. I have never made any statement on the net whatsoever about my IQ. It was Danny Keren who lied, saying I was "bragging" on the net about my "high IQ", in yet another one of his attempts to smear me. I corrected him but he has refused to retract his statement(s), and continues to constantly misrepresent what I have said in numerous areas. 5. I have never mentioned my dimensional hypothesis on the net, except to tell Danny Keren that I was not about to waste my time discussing it with him because I believe he would have nothing constructive to add to such a discussion. It was he who brought it up. 6. I have never submitted an article or ad to any student newspaper, or to any newspaper whatsoever, for that matter. You must be thinking of Bradley R. Smith, director of C.O.D.O.H. (Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust). He can be reached at (209) 733-2653 (tel/fax). 7. I have refuted claims made by the "self-appointed Dan Gannon Cleanup Crew" on numerous occasions. But I choose not to waste much of my time any more bickering with such proven liars as Danny Keren and Ken McVay, et al. who continually evade my points, grossly misrepresent what I say, and slander me in an attempt to "kill the messenger". 8. What evidence do you have that "most soc.history readers have killfiles because of him [Dan Gannon] and Serdar."? 9. The vast majority of people who call Banished CPU, the BBS I run, are not, by any stretch of the imagination, "neo-nazi punks of sundry varieties", and my BBS is not "known for attracting" said individuals. For a newspaper reporter's description of Banished CPU and the people who call it, send "GET PDXSBCPU.TXT" to FTPMAIL@BANISHED.COM, and the entire article will be mailed to you. Below I provide the citation and the relevant quotes from it: ___________________________________________________________________________ >From _PDXS_ magazine ("Art/Music/Politics - The Pulse of Portland"), September 27, 1993 issue (Vol. 3, No. 14): CYBER POST-IT NOTES By Mitzi Waltz [The article begins:] "It's midnight, and the line at Banished CPU is still busy." [...] [A paragraph from near the middle of the article:] "Politics, that other topic banned at grandma's dinner table, is rarely ignored on BBSes. Banished CPU ([503] 232-6566) probably has the most wide- ranging discussions on the subject in Portland. In fact, it may be the only place where rabid white supremacists, gays, knee-jerk liberals, anarchists, Ross Perot supporters, and everyone in between have regular conversations. Not necessarily *nice* conversations, but at least people are talking. Sysop Maynard and I will never agree on politics but we agree that free speech is a wonderful thing." ___________________________________________________________________________ ----(begin quotes)---- dbd@martha.utcc.utk.edu (David DeLaney) writes (under subject heading, "Dan Gannon, Net.Legend", on Jan. 7, 1994): >operators@stpaul.ncr.com writes: >>I'm new to this thread and don't know who Gannon is or what he is famous or >>infamous for. Can someone give me a clue?? Why is what he posts considered >>drivel?? --KAC > >From the draft of the upcoming Net.Legends FAQ: > >Dan Gannon: (Let me explain by reposting the *same* Holocaust-was-fake trash; I >didn't write this, I just scanned it in. And you are all VILE LITTLE LIARS for >saying so! don't forget my high IQ and my theory of the universe having 23 - >nope, wait a minute, make that 25-dimensions) >The original "let's post Nazi revisionist trash to UseNet in quantity and never >reply to debunking, except by reposting the same trash" geek. Has occasionally >tried to answer posts debunking his anti-Holocaust views; is normally not very >successful, and quickly goes back to crossposting his articles to hell and >back, followed by the self-appointed Dan Gannon Cleanup Crew, who spend >selflessly of their time and effort debunking Dan *every* time (Dan posts to >soc.college, as far as anyone can tell, in order that maybe just *one* of his >multiplicities of posts will catch some uninformed person's eye and fool them >into believing his articles... similarly for the other, ever-changing >newsgroups on his Newsgroups: line). Alt.revisionism created mainly to have >some place to redirect followups from the cleanup crew; most soc.history >readers have killfiles because of him and Serdar. Has also attempted to spread >the word by taking out newspaper full-page/half-page ads; slightly successful >with college papers, very unsuccessful with real-life newspapers. Runs (ran?) >a BBS in Portland, OR known for attracting neo-nazi punks of sundry varieties. >Posts as dgannon@teleport.com (Dan Gannon). Recently started posting again as >maynard@banished.uucp . > >Dave "any actual facts/corrections will be appreciated" DeLaney ----(end quotes)---- Sincerely, Dan Gannon (a.k.a. "Maynard the Main Nerd") Sysop, Banished CPU: (503) 232-6566 (14.4k multi-line) Banished CPU supports Freedom of Speech! Article: 26043 of soc.history Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism,soc.history,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines Subject: Re: DAN GANNON, NET.FRAUD From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 94 02:11:42 GMT Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac Summary: More drivel from Gannon, no facts. What's new? dgannon@banished.com writes: >3. I have only called a maximum of 2 people "VILE LITTLE LIAR[s]" on the > net, EVER, and I supported my claims with direct and verifiable > evidence. Bull. You have yet to provide "direct and verifiable evidence" regarding the refutations published here and elsewhere. In fact, you continue to avoid doing so, perhaps because you fully understand that it cannot be done. You have yet to respond to the questions repeatedly asked of you by myself and Dr. Keren, perhaps because you fear open debate on the Holocaust issue. (Even your current practice of duplicating your articles rather than crossposting, and avoiding followup direction makes this clear. What is it you fear, Gannon, if not the truth?) >7. I have refuted claims made by the "self-appointed Dan Gannon Cleanup > Crew" on numerous occasions. But I choose not to waste much of my time > any more bickering with such proven liars as Danny Keren and Ken McVay, Once again, you call me a liar. That last several times you have done that, others here have asked you for specifics - that you pick any single point I have made and refute it. After two years, you have failed to do that, even once. You, on the other hand, lie repeatedly with aplomb - the diesel exhaust issue being the most recent example of your duplicity. I submit that you have proven nothing in the past few years except your willingness to be used as a tool of an international fascist conspiracy; in short, that you are both a liar and a fool. Again, I join the others who ask you to substantiate your assertion that I have lied by providing evidence to that effect. Again, I assume, you will avoid doing so. Frankly, I rather enjoy seeing you hide under your rock, Gannon, because it makes who you are and what you stand for, crystal clear to everyone here. You are, as I often point out, your own worst enemy, to my delight. The more you avoid open debate, the more foolish you make yourself and your agenda appear. Keep it up. Perhaps you would like to begin with, say, the Leuchter FAQ. You can point out where my "lies" are, and provide "refutation." It should, to say the least, be interesting, and drive a few more nails into your intellectual coffin. Speaking of "refuted claims," Dan, I wonder if you will now repudiate Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party, since you claim you are not a Nazi? Here's a golden opportunity for you to clear the air... > et al. who continually evade my points, grossly misrepresent what I say, > and slander me in an attempt to "kill the messenger". Please feel free to demonstrate how I have slandered you. I'll meet you in any Canadian courtroom, any time, to answer your charges. You have yet, for instance, dealt with your failed attempt to crash my system and shut down the mail in BCNET for four or five hours... perhaps you would like to begin there, eh, Dan? >8. What evidence do you have that "most soc.history readers have killfiles > because of him [Dan Gannon] and Serdar."? Perhaps a poll of soc.history readers would provide the answer you seek. -- "The Holocaust Myth is peddled by both | The Old Frog's Almanac - CANADA professional liars, and well-meaning but | (Home to the Holocaust archives) misguided historians." | Send the command INDEX to: Milton John Kleim, Jr. | listserv@oneb.almanac.bc.ca Article: 26064 of soc.history Newsgroups: soc.history From: smullins@cidmac.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott H Mullins) Subject: Re: DAN GANNON, NET.LEGEND Sender: news@noose.ecn.purdue.edu (USENET news) Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Date: Sat, 8 Jan 1994 16:12:41 GMT dgannon@banished.com writes: [del] >1. I rarely repost articles; the vast majority of my posts are original. I have seen you repost the "Jews control the media" stuff several times. >2. I have never said [the] "Holocaust-was-fake". I only address specific > parts of the "Holocaust story". And do so very poorly. Do you have anything you'd like to say about the use of diesel engines for mass execution? We were having a discussion about it for awhile until you were shown to be posting completely specious drivel about this subject. You've never retracted the claim that diesel engines couldn't be used for mass executions. Would you like to do so now? >3. I have only called a maximum of 2 people "VILE LITTLE LIAR[s]" on the > net, EVER, and I supported my claims with direct and verifiable > evidence. And when verified it turned out you were _completely_ wrong about the diesel gas chambers. A tiny amount of fact-checking would have saved you a great deal of trouble in this case. It doesn't give me much confidence in the rest of the stuff you post. Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, eh? [del] >7. I have refuted claims made by the "self-appointed Dan Gannon Cleanup > Crew" on numerous occasions. But I choose not to waste much of my time > any more bickering with such proven liars as Danny Keren and Ken McVay, > et al. who continually evade my points, grossly misrepresent what I say, > and slander me in an attempt to "kill the messenger". You consider debate on the factuality of the things you post to be a waste of time? A telling comment. If you don't consider the debate on facts to be a waste of time then let's have a debate on the feasibility of diesel gas chambers. You brought the subject up and then ducked out when the going got too tough for you. If such discussions are a "waste of time" for you then you shouldn't be posting here. >8. What evidence do you have that "most soc.history readers have killfiles > because of him [Dan Gannon] and Serdar."? Hah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha... that's a good one. [del] > Sincerely, > >Dan Gannon (a.k.a. "Maynard the Main Nerd") >Sysop, Banished CPU: (503) 232-6566 (14.4k multi-line) >Banished CPU supports Freedom of Speech! Astonishing that you now admit to being "Maynard" after having denied it for so long. Another data point for judging your character. -- Scott smullins@ecn.purdue.edu Article: 26067 of soc.history From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,soc.college,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,soc.history,misc.headlines Subject: Re: DAN GANNON, NET.LEGEND Followup-To: alt.revisionism Date: 8 Jan 1994 21:23:59 GMT Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cslab6b.cs.brown.edu dgannon@banished.com writes: Gannon, you imbecile. Why do you keep harassing the net by reposting the same article separately, to many newsgroups? I know you're a moron, but is it really too difficult to understand that this is net abuse in its worst form, and is it really too difficult to learn to post to a few newsgroups at the time? Can you believe this jerk? A newsgroup is created *specifically* for him to post his stuff in, and not only does he keep flooding numerous newsgroups with his repeated postings, he makes it worse by wasting net resources and causing annoyance to readers who have to wade through his crap many times, each time in a different group. What a pig... but this is Gannon: if you don't want to read him, he'll force himself on you. Hell, the stupid little creep even posts to sci.physics!! # Thank you, David Delaney, for the publicity. Gannon welcomes publicity, even if it consists of exposing him for the Nazi blockhead he is. But then - how else can he gain publicity? # 1. I rarely repost articles; the vast majority of my posts are original. Liar, you post articles dozens of time. The Bradley Smith ad was posted numerous times, as were others. # 4. I have never made any statement on the net whatsoever about my IQ. It # was Danny Keren who lied, saying I was "bragging" on the net about my # "high IQ", in yet another one of his attempts to smear me. I corrected # him but he has refused to retract his statement(s), and continues to # constantly misrepresent what I have said in numerous areas. You implicitly bragged of your IQ. Now, won't you settle the debate by telling us how much it is? # 5. I have never mentioned my dimensional hypothesis on the net, except to # tell Danny Keren that I was not about to waste my time discussing it # with him because I believe he would have nothing constructive to add to # such a discussion. It was he who brought it up. Liar, you wrote on the net that you developed a model of the universe with 23 dimensions, and since then "have discovered two more". # 8. What evidence do you have that "most soc.history readers have killfiles # because of him [Dan Gannon] and Serdar."? After posting on soc.history a query as how to kill "Argic's" posters, about 20 people mailed me their kill-files. Gannon's name was in all but two of them. When he came back with the "maynard" alias, there was a stream of articles warning of the new menace and explaining how to update the kill-files accordingly. -Danny Keren. Article: 26088 of soc.history From: roger@faust.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Newsgroups: soc.history Subject: Re: DAN GANNON, NET.LEGEND Date: 8 Jan 94 05:10:52 GMT Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Originator: news@nimaster dgannon@banished.com writes: >[Reply quotes at end of message.] > Thank you, David Delaney, for the publicity. > I, Dan Gannon, have some major corrections for the portion of David >DeLaney's "Net.Legends FAQ" which describes me. I suggest he take them >seriously. The following is strictly fact; no opinion is included. All >extraneous info. is omitted. >1. I rarely repost articles; the vast majority of my posts are original. Note that the two claims are not contradictory; if one posts lots of stuff, one can post mostly original stuff *and* still repost things more than "rarely." In the event, Gannon *does* repost lots of old JHR articles, talks, etc., many of which have been convincingly refuted in the past. gannon rarely responds to challenges about the content of these things. >2. I have never said [the] "Holocaust-was-fake". Bullshit. You've made a stack of statements that say just that. You claim that gas-chamber evidence was forged. You claim that census numbers were inflated. You claim that "holocaustomaniacs" spread lies. If that doesn't amount to saying the Holocausty was a fake, what does? >I only address specific parts of the "Holocaust story". Unless they happen to be inconvenient to your twisted world view, in which case you ignore them. Which is whenever evidence is introduced. >3. I have only called a maximum of 2 people "VILE LITTLE LIAR[s]" on the > net, EVER, But not yourself, and *you* have posted more vile lies than anyone else could ever dream of. And you have run away from those lies when challenged. Not only a liar, but a coward. >and I supported my claims with direct and verifiable evidence. And when others do this, you act as though they'd posted to /dev/null. >4. I have never made any statement on the net whatsoever about my IQ. It > was Danny Keren who lied, saying I was "bragging" on the net about my > "high IQ", in yet another one of his attempts to smear me. I corrected > him but he has refused to retract his statement(s), and continues to > constantly misrepresent what I have said in numerous areas. Funny you should mention "misrepresentation." You love to misrepresent and quote out of context. >5. I have never mentioned my dimensional hypothesis on the net, except to > tell Danny Keren that I was not about to waste my time discussing it > with him because I believe he would have nothing constructive to add to > such a discussion. It was he who brought it up. Nonetheless, it sounds like you're a crackpot in more fields than one. You have many rights, but hiding behind a terminal and controlling what is said about you is not one of them. >6. I have never submitted an article or ad to any student newspaper, or to > any newspaper whatsoever, for that matter. You must be thinking of > Bradley R. Smith, director of C.O.D.O.H. (Committee for Open Debate on > the Holocaust). He can be reached at (209) 733-2653 (tel/fax). Big deal. You crowed about his doing so. >7. I have refuted claims made by the "self-appointed Dan Gannon Cleanup > Crew" on numerous occasions. None concerning your obvious lies about history, physics, physiology, chemistry, etc. Your lies have been exposed a thousand times. >But I choose not to waste much of my time > any more bickering with such proven liars as Danny Keren and Ken McVay, > et al. who continually evade my points, grossly misrepresent what I say, > and slander me in an attempt to "kill the messenger". Really? They generally *quote* your words extensively when replying to you. As to evasion, how about the ten questions? How about diesel exhaust? Churchill? We've given you a whole lot of stuff from *your* choice of topics, and you evade, evade, evade. >8. What evidence do you have that "most soc.history readers have killfiles > because of him [Dan Gannon] and Serdar."? The fact that the entire country isn't alternately laughing and puking. >9. The vast majority of people who call Banished CPU, the BBS I run, are > not, by any stretch of the imagination, "neo-nazi punks of sundry > varieties", and my BBS is not "known for attracting" said individuals. What *is* it known for, then? Do you think that people who don't like the crap about blacks having smaller brains, etc. will stick around? > For a newspaper reporter's description of Banished CPU and the people who > call it, send "GET PDXSBCPU.TXT" to FTPMAIL@BANISHED.COM, and the entire > article will be mailed to you. Below I provide the citation and the > relevant quotes from it: Got permission yet? [copyrighted article deleted] Oh, and it's nice to know that you *are* "Maynard" -- at least for now... Roger Lustig