Article 149502 of alt.religion.kibology: From: a@a.a (Well Basically) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Famous roleplayers Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 05:52:45 GMT On 7 Jul 1998 03:27:00 GMT, dbrohman@chat.carleton.ca (Dave Brohman) wrote: >Barry B Wood (fenris@utdallas.edu) wrote: > >> Keep in mind that Tolkien wrote the trilogy as a methaphor for WWII. > > No he didn't. He specificaly states that he did NOT do this and that it > is simply not true. > Sorry for interrupting this t****, but it was LOTR as an allegory for WW2 that he denied, not a metaphor, which it clearly was, and wiser minds than either of yours have long observed that it probably was an allegory too and that his slightly-too-insistent denial of this was simply a standard old rhetorical device by which our subconcious masters always distract us while they manipulate our minds. the Shire is England, Gondor is France, Rohan is Russia, the Elves are Jews, Saruman is Mussolini, Sauron is a certain German person, Morgoth is Satan, Orcs are the wehrmacht, the Nazgul are the SS, the ravens are moles, the Ents are conscientious objectors, the dwarves are capitalist industrialists, Rivendell is headquarters of the worldwide jewish banking conspiracy, Tom Bombadil is progressive western democratic politics, Goldberry is Tom's squeeze, the ring is worldwide military dominance, the creation of evil, which must be relinquished and destroyed before evil can be overcome. Note that the role of America is significantly ignored here, though much is made of the Elvish migration to the Western Lands. The Ring is also, of course, the ATOM BOMB. Anyway, Farmer Maggot is a rural bumpkin, representing a rural bumpkin, Gandalph is the Masons (note that he often is found hanging out with DWARVES), Gollum is domestic (ie english) racist sympathy for Sauron's cause, which is of course primarily directed against ELVES, of course, Bilbo is the old world order of Engilish Empire, the Old Willow is bucolic narrow mindedness that bequiles and suffocates initiative, the Old Forest is beaureaucratic red tape, the Barrow Wight is the shadow of ancient avarice now more purposeless then ever, Moria is Secular Humanism, the monster at the bottom of the pool guarding the entrance to Moria is a secret I am not allowed to tell you about, Shelob is concious, calculating individualism hypocritically allied with EVIL, Lorien is the synthesis of jewish religious tradition with european tree hugging paganism, Merry, Pippin and Sam are homosexuals, Aragorn is a 'frog' prince (favorite color green - what a giveaway), Minas Tirith is Paris of course, the old guy who ran Minas Tirith who ends up killing himself I think is the old guys who ran Paris who thought the Maginot Line was such a KEEN idea, and last but most certainly not least Long Bottom Leaf is MARIJUANA, of which Gandalph smoked AN AWFUL LOT. We now returns youse to youse regularly scheduled t****. Article 149515 of alt.religion.kibology: From: amorph@avalon.net (The Amorphous Mass) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Famous roleplayers Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 12:10:59 -0500 a@a.a (Well Basically) wrote: > On 7 Jul 1998 03:27:00 GMT, dbrohman@chat.carleton.ca (Dave Brohman) wrote: > >Barry B Wood (fenris@utdallas.edu) wrote: > >> Keep in mind that Tolkien wrote the trilogy as a methaphor for WWII. > > > > No he didn't. He specificaly states that he did NOT do this and that it > > is simply not true. > > Sorry for interrupting this t****, but it was LOTR as an allegory for > WW2 that he denied, not a metaphor, which it clearly was, and wiser > minds than either of yours have long observed that it probably was an > allegory too and that his slightly-too-insistent denial of this was > simply a standard old rhetorical device Ah! Of course! How could I have missed it! If he denied it it has to be true, and the more strenuously he denied it the more true it must be. Another asserted falsehood shattered under the irresistable pressure of reason. > the Elves are Jews, No, no, no. Clearly they represent the French Resistance. Minas Ithil is, of course, Vichy. > Tom Bombadil is progressive western democratic politics, Goldberry is Tom's > squeeze Namely, market capitalism. The river's daughter moniker represents the flow of wealth through the world economy, and her feet being in water represent the conversion of natural resources to saleable goods through the application of labor. Another possibility is that Tom Bombadil is the Spanish Inquisition. > the ring is worldwide military dominance Hmm. I thought it represented Nietzsche, specifically the Will to Power. After all, the Ring did appear to have a will, and it tempted with power... > Gollum is domestic (ie english) racist > sympathy for Sauron's cause Nah, he's also the French Resistance. > Lorien is the synthesis of jewish religious tradition with european tree > hugging paganism Eek. Now that's failed cultural assimilation. :-) > Aragorn is a 'frog' prince (favorite color > green - what a giveaway) I always thought of him as Patton. Numenoreans are obviously Americans. -- The Amorphous Mass amorph@avalon.net http://www.avalon.net/~amorph Article 149539 of alt.religion.kibology: From: jmbay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Michael Bay) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Famous roleplayers Date: 7 Jul 1998 21:41:41 -0700 amorph@avalon.net (The Amorphous Mass) writes: >> Tom Bombadil is progressive western democratic politics, Goldberry is Tom's >> squeeze > Namely, market capitalism. The river's daughter moniker represents the >flow of wealth through the world economy, and her feet being in water >represent the conversion of natural resources to saleable goods through This is the sort of statement I've come to expect on this newsgroup. > Another possibility is that Tom Bombadil is the Spanish Inquisition. Now *that* I didn't expect. -- http://www.stanford.edu/~jmbay/ "Hide the children; run. the self-mutilating fertility giant is here". http://members.aol.com/lileks4/food/ads/mexicorn.html